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TASMANIAN GRN Submission 27/07/20

Postby cartman » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:48 am

https://www.parliament.tas.gov.au/ctee/ ... ission.pdf

P25 trunking network to be completed by 2023/24
400Mhz with VHF in regional areas
130 sites
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Re: TASMANIAN GRN

Postby Bigfella237 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:02 am

Pumper_50 wrote:Try 514678

Damn, I was hoping they'd use a client ID exclusively for the TASGRN, that ID has sites all over Vic plus one in Adelaide. Why wouldn't the TAS State Govt Telco control all the licencing?

If that's the correct ID, it looks like there's only the one site so far at MT RUMNEY with three VHF and three UHF (TX) freqs licenced:

167.5875
167.8875
168.0375
416.2375
416.7375
417.2375

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Re: TASMANIAN GRN

Postby Pumper_50 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:11 am

Yeah was just looking in to it again myself.

Perhaps it will change at some point.

The freqs at Mt Rumney that folks have been getting data off are only authorised for 10w going by ACMA

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Re: TASMANIAN GRN

Postby cartman » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:50 pm

https://www.parliament.tas.gov.au/ctee/ ... roject.pdf

The actual Hansard transcript of the Tasmanian GRN Project submission (thanks Eric at RF Group Tas for the link)

It actually says it will be Phase 2 and the new network will be encrypted

THE PARLIAMENTARY STANDING COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC WORKS MET IN COMMITTEE ROOM 1 AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE, HOBART, ON MONDAY, 10 AUGUST 2020

PWC - TASMANIAN GOVERNMENT RADIO NETWORK PROJECT

Mr MATTHEW EASTHAM, ACTING CEO, AMBULANCE TASMANIA;
MR CHRIS ARNOL, CHIEF OFFICER, TASMANIAN FIRE SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF POLICE, FIRE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT;
Mr SCOTT WILSON-HAFFENDEN, PROJECT DIRECTOR, TASMANIAN GOVERNMENT RADIO NETWORK, DEPARTMENT OF POLICE, FIRE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT;
Mr SCOTT TILYARD, PROJECT SPONSOR AND CHAIR TasGRN STEERING COMMITTEE, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF POLICE, DEPARTMENT OF POLICE, FIRE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT;
Mr JOHN LLOYD, DIRECTOR OPERATIONS, PARKS AND WILDLIFE SERVICE;

WERE CALLED, MADE THE STATUTORY DECLARATION AND WERE EXAMINED.

Mr ANDREW WELLWOOD, PRINCIPAL TECHNICAL ADVISOR, GENERAL MANAGER MINGARA AUSTRALASIA PTY LTD;
and Mr ROSS ALEXANDER, PRINCIPAL COMMERCIAL ADVISOR, PARTNER INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY & CONTESTABILITY, DELOITTE FINANCIAL ADVISORY PTY LTD;

WERE CALLED BY TELECONFERENCE, MADE THE STATUTORY DECLARATION AND WERE EXAMINED.
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Re: TASMANIAN GRN

Postby cartman » Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:26 am

Tasmanian Government Radio Network

TasGRN Newsletter
Edition 11 - September 2021

TasGRN Core Install
Work is underway to install the Hobart TasGRN Core. This activity is a significant undertaking, involving four tonnes of equipment being installed in multiple locations in the CBD exchanges. Telstra’s technology partner, Motorola, led the installation, following a major local recruitment campaign. Motorola’s Hobart Office was established to support the Project and is a central location for this implementation planning.
The TasGRN is currently available for demonstration, utilising the Melbourne Core. The Hobart Core will go live in October 2021, with sites added as the network build continues throughout the State.

First TasGRN Test Radio Call Made
On 27 July 2021, the first test radio call was made on the new TasGRN console and radio terminals, with the State’s Implementation Steering Committee in attendance. This coincided with Deputy Commissioner and TasGRN Project Sponsor Scott Tilyard’s final week before retirement. Mr. Tilyard has advocated for a whole-of-government radio network for many years, so this call represented a significant milestone which highlighted Mr. Tilyard’s significant contribution.

Demonstration
The TasGRN Project recently hit a significant milestone. Telstra has delivered the TasGRN demonstration platform, so now users can learn about some of the features and capabilities of the TasGRN, as the remainder of the network is being built.

Hands-on demonstrations will run through to March 2022. On offer is the opportunity to play with the TasGRN equipment and for users to get a sneak preview of what it can do.

The demonstration platform has three radio transmission sites established. The sites are based at Chimney Pot Hill, Mt Rumney and Police Headquarters in the Hobart CBD. The three were built early to enable early access to the TasGRN. The initial use of these Demonstration sites will be for radio configuration trials.

Each User Organisation has been involved in regular configuration workshops, and this milestone provides them a real-time environment to trial different configuration options.

The State, Telstra and Motorola teams have worked in partnership to achieve this milestone.

Inquiries from User Organisations about how to join a Demonstration can be directed to the TasGRN Agency Project Leads.

A Spotlight on the Vehicles Team
A major component of the TasGRN transition is the vehicles installation program. Featuring 2,307 vehicles across the eight User Organisations, considerable planning, scheduling, and coordination is required to ensure all vehicles have equipment installed prior to network migration. Installations commence in December 2021.This is a significant piece of work, coordinated on behalf of the State by Wayne Daniels, and Matan Livson of Motorola.

Wayne Daniels provided some further information.

What are the biggest challenges when planning the vehicles stream of work?
“Some of the User Organisations aren’t transitioning to the TasGRN until 2023. We anticipate that all User Organisations will have vehicles change-over in that time, which means we need a detailed understanding of the current fleet lifecycle, to plan for a future fleet installation. Another complication is the fact that our emergency service organisations, Tasmania Police, Tasmania Fire Service, Ambulance Tasmania and the State Emergency Service, operate 24/7. There is no down-time over the weekends to coordinate an installation program. This means we need to understand how and when vehicles are used and identify the least disruptive schedule to enable these organisations to still carry out their day-to-day operations during this installation process.”

Who is involved at a User Organisation level?
“This activity involves working with Fleet Coordinators from each User Organisation. Each Organisation does things a little differently, in terms of operational requirements, which impacts how and when we can coordinate installation.”

What kinds of vehicles are involved in the program?
“There is diversity across the fleet, from highly specialised operational vehicles, including aircraft, watercraft, fire appliances, ambulances and armoured vehicles, to standard passenger cars and motorcycles. Some vehicles are currently equipped with radios, while others aren’t. There’s no one-size-fits-all approach. We are developing the approach for each User Organisation with the right people within the User Organisations.”

What is the approach for vehicle installation?
“We are employing a regionally based approach across four installation phases, starting in the South, then moving North and North-West. The Service Provider will provide several installation locations State-wide and can complete installations in remote locations such as King Island, Flinders Island and Strahan. This means that each vehicle is off the road for a shorter period and will travel a shorter distance their preferred installation location.”


TasNetworks and Hydro commence their vehicle installation programs in December 2021, followed by Tasmania Police in early 2022. The remaining User Organisations will commence their vehicle install programs in later 2022 and 2023, prior to their migration.

Currently infrastructure from Telstra and the Trunked Mobile Radio Network (TMRN) exist on this site. It is a location that will see consolidation of infrastructure through the implementation of the TasGRN. This will create operational and maintenance cost efficiencies through the reduction of duplicated infrastructure.
What is P25 or a public-safety grade network?

P25, or Project 25, refers to a suite of standards that refer to radio communications that are emergency-service grade. A P25 network is digital, rather than analogue, which offers good audio quality, as well as the option for data transfer and encryption. While a P25 network is digital, P25 radios on the TasGRN will still be able to communicate in analogue mode to legacy radios.

P25 networks are described as mission critical, to provide communications when all other systems have failed. This refers to resiliency and reliability of communications that exceed commercial standards. The TasGRN has a complex and robust design, comprised of dual backhaul, which means that if a site goes down, the network is still able to function.

Tasmania is the only state yet to implement a P25 network. The TasGRN will see Tasmania brought into line with national and international radio communications standards.

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Re: TASMANIAN GRN

Postby cartman » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:48 pm

cartman wrote:Tasmanian Government Radio Network

TasGRN Newsletter
Edition 11 - September 2021

TasGRN Core Install
Work is underway to install the Hobart TasGRN Core. This activity is a significant undertaking, involving four tonnes of equipment being installed in multiple locations in the CBD exchanges. Telstra’s technology partner, Motorola, led the installation, following a major local recruitment campaign. Motorola’s Hobart Office was established to support the Project and is a central location for this implementation planning.
The TasGRN is currently available for demonstration, utilising the Melbourne Core. The Hobart Core will go live in October 2021, with sites added as the network build continues throughout the State.

First TasGRN Test Radio Call Made
On 27 July 2021, the first test radio call was made on the new TasGRN console and radio terminals, with the State’s Implementation Steering Committee in attendance. This coincided with Deputy Commissioner and TasGRN Project Sponsor Scott Tilyard’s final week before retirement. Mr. Tilyard has advocated for a whole-of-government radio network for many years, so this call represented a significant milestone which highlighted Mr. Tilyard’s significant contribution.

Demonstration
The TasGRN Project recently hit a significant milestone. Telstra has delivered the TasGRN demonstration platform, so now users can learn about some of the features and capabilities of the TasGRN, as the remainder of the network is being built.

Hands-on demonstrations will run through to March 2022. On offer is the opportunity to play with the TasGRN equipment and for users to get a sneak preview of what it can do.

The demonstration platform has three radio transmission sites established. The sites are based at Chimney Pot Hill, Mt Rumney and Police Headquarters in the Hobart CBD. The three were built early to enable early access to the TasGRN. The initial use of these Demonstration sites will be for radio configuration trials.

Each User Organisation has been involved in regular configuration workshops, and this milestone provides them a real-time environment to trial different configuration options.

The State, Telstra and Motorola teams have worked in partnership to achieve this milestone.

Inquiries from User Organisations about how to join a Demonstration can be directed to the TasGRN Agency Project Leads.

A Spotlight on the Vehicles Team
A major component of the TasGRN transition is the vehicles installation program. Featuring 2,307 vehicles across the eight User Organisations, considerable planning, scheduling, and coordination is required to ensure all vehicles have equipment installed prior to network migration. Installations commence in December 2021.This is a significant piece of work, coordinated on behalf of the State by Wayne Daniels, and Matan Livson of Motorola.

Wayne Daniels provided some further information.

What are the biggest challenges when planning the vehicles stream of work?
“Some of the User Organisations aren’t transitioning to the TasGRN until 2023. We anticipate that all User Organisations will have vehicles change-over in that time, which means we need a detailed understanding of the current fleet lifecycle, to plan for a future fleet installation. Another complication is the fact that our emergency service organisations, Tasmania Police, Tasmania Fire Service, Ambulance Tasmania and the State Emergency Service, operate 24/7. There is no down-time over the weekends to coordinate an installation program. This means we need to understand how and when vehicles are used and identify the least disruptive schedule to enable these organisations to still carry out their day-to-day operations during this installation process.”

Who is involved at a User Organisation level?
“This activity involves working with Fleet Coordinators from each User Organisation. Each Organisation does things a little differently, in terms of operational requirements, which impacts how and when we can coordinate installation.”

What kinds of vehicles are involved in the program?
“There is diversity across the fleet, from highly specialised operational vehicles, including aircraft, watercraft, fire appliances, ambulances and armoured vehicles, to standard passenger cars and motorcycles. Some vehicles are currently equipped with radios, while others aren’t. There’s no one-size-fits-all approach. We are developing the approach for each User Organisation with the right people within the User Organisations.”

What is the approach for vehicle installation?
“We are employing a regional approach across four installation phases, starting in the South, then moving North and North-West. The Service Provider will provide several installation locations State-wide and can complete installations in remote locations such as King Island, Flinders Island and Strahan. This means that each vehicle is off the road for a shorter period and will travel a shorter distance their preferred installation location.”


TasNetworks and Hydro commence their vehicle installation programs in December 2021, followed by Tasmania Police in early 2022. The remaining User Organisations will commence their vehicle install programs in later 2022 and 2023, prior to their migration.

Currently infrastructure from Telstra and the Trunked Mobile Radio Network (TMRN) exist on this site. It is a location that will see consolidation of infrastructure through the implementation of the TasGRN. This will create operational and maintenance cost efficiencies through the reduction of duplicated infrastructure.
What is P25 or a public-safety grade network?

P25, or Project 25, refers to a suite of standards that refer to radio communications that are emergency-service grade. A P25 network is digital, rather than analogue, which offers good audio quality, as well as the option for data transfer and encryption. While a P25 network is digital, P25 radios on the TasGRN will still be able to communicate in analogue mode to legacy radios.

P25 networks are described as mission critical, to provide communications when all other systems have failed. This refers to resiliency and reliability of communications that exceed commercial standards. The TasGRN has a complex and robust design, comprised of dual backhaul, which means that if a site goes down, the network is still able to function.

Tasmania is the only state yet to implement a P25 network. The TasGRN will see Tasmania brought into line with national and international radio communications standards.

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Re: TASMANIAN GRN

Postby Eric7315 » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:34 pm

System being installed quite a few base stations installed they are using existing Telstra towers as well as 3 new green field sites, there have also been DAs for 4 new tx site as the current telstra site couldn't handle the extra infrastructure, radios been installed i some SES Tas Pol vehicles,and have heard some testing in the clear on TX sites in the NW as well as encrypted Traffic,all bar Parks and Aurora/Transend the electrical distributor will be encrypted,

As Telstra won the contract they are utilizing Telstra phone towers for most of the sites


Many sites in the Nth and NW operational, and a few sites running constant data as testing between linked sites is down,

have heard voice traffic on a few sites in the NW and Nth on either the 166 mhz or 424 mhz freqs, vehicles get 2nd gnd independent ant for each band,but they have dual band radios with seamless switching while mobile across neighboring towers, mostly 424 megs in the built up areas,167 megs in the country

system is P25 Phase 2 ,I can use a 396XT running unitrunker to obtain site details ,Freqs,Site IDs,but cant hear voice, i need my Uniden UBCD325P2 that does phase 2 to listen to audio

they hope to start change over starti8ng late 2022, there are dedicated instal sites by motorola to do installs, transend/aurora will move over first as guinea pigs and other agencies to follow,

hopefully it will work better than the pathetic 800 Mhz EDAC system,we were conned into, but must admit i am amazed sometimes how well it worked in our mountainous island, but there were still areas Taspol have no coverage on 800Mhz, we were certainly screwed by Ericcsion

and then screwed buying 3 interoperability gateways after a report into the serious fires we had, I think the gateways were used on the day of the big promotion that it solved everything and half a dozen times after that
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Re: TASMANIAN GRN

Postby Radio_Australia » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:06 pm

Hope it goes better than the qld gwn , quite a few teething problems, many blackspots that needed cows to fill in .

In building mini repeaters, after they worked out it didn't work to well in cbd buildings / shopping centres , the list went on , portable cows are still used in fire season in qld .

Also the users at first struggled with the analog to digital readability.

Fire users raised issues with voice safety while wearing breathing apparatus masks , the voice just wasn't the quality needed for mission critical ,
The union started the concerns but not sure how it ended, they did threaten at one stage to revert back to analog for on site comms .


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Re: TASMANIAN GRN

Postby Eric7315 » Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:16 pm

I believe it will work a lot better than thew con job 800Mhz Ericsson system we were conned into buying,greased palms and all that.

But the cost of the new system considering they are using existing towers,backbone is a bit mind boggling
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Re: TASMANIAN GRN

Postby Pumper_50 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:40 am

It would've been ALOT more expensive if you weren't using some of the existing hub locations owned by Telstra.

If it was solely Motorola who had bidded, or any other entity, other than Telstra you'd have been looking in excess of over a million to install a new hub, power, mast infrastructure, redundancy capability at each location a site was required in most cases.

We went through the same possibilities when the Victorian RRDS (later RMR) was built.

Using existing Telstra infrastructure at many locations enables Telstra to keep the job costs to the client down, even though it probably doesn't seem like it.

Motorola realised this early on when they looked at tendering for RRDS (RMR) so didn't bother, in turn Telstra realised they didn't have the P25 infrastructure experience Motorola had to build such a system hence their partnership.

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