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Longreach wrote:The XT's decode the RID's fine. Mine show up all the time on the one freq trunk systems ive created.

Hi Matt, do you have the one freq trunk system set up as described by Russell above, or do you use another method? I've tried at least 15 of the Sydney encrypted sites (what would be Zone 2) over the last 24 hours and have only got the ID of 1 and 4095 appear, no radio ID's. I can pick up a couple of the south digital channels (Zone 3) in the clear from here, so might try those to see if they are any different.

Hi Scotty, Yeah i do have it setup that way. looking at the Goulburn Vote im seeing ID:65535 and UID:i5(they alternate screens). do you have Radio ID enabled on your XT, or Type 2 in your software?
cheers
Matt

citabria wrote:I believe those are the P25 conventional talkgroup ID's - not the radio IDs.

1 and 4095 are

1019, 1037, 1038 are not
Matt1983 and I noticed them around the same time
They appear to be real four digit radio or console ids


Grant

I ran a one freq trunk system on the P25 clear channels that I can hear from here, 468.4125, 468.7125, 419.3125 - I'm not sure what channel these frequencies now belong to, but all were rebroadcasting Goulburn/Wagga/etc. All I got on all 3 channels was the ID's of 1 and 4095 - no individual RID's.

I then switched back to an encrypted Sydney channel (468.7375) and somehow it's now switching between ID: 4085 and a 6 digit RID 109044, end every now and again RID 4 (in the clear) and RID 1.

I've got no idea what's going on, but I'll have another play later when I get a chance. At least it seems to does decode them (sometimes!).

You wont see too many ids other then 4 on those P25 Clear channels, which are out of Mittagong. The Sydney channel with 109044 is Vote 109 and Vote 044 which i think its the Penrith/Blue Mountains channel, according to an old website,

cartman wrote:

citabria wrote:I believe those are the P25 conventional talkgroup ID's - not the radio IDs.

1 and 4095 are

1019, 1037, 1038 are not

Yes, and that's exactly what I was referring to in my post, if you read it carefully and understand the context.

In the last month or two new console ids have been introduced, and interoperability seems to be the motivation, in order to covering staffing needs.
So far I have seen a Newcastle console run Foxtrot and Ch 5 in the metro region

Console id's overview
Sydney -10xx
Penrith - 11xx
Warilla - 12xx
Newcastle - 13xx
Tamworth - ?? 14xx


Sydney VKG
1001
1002
1003
1004 Special Ops Ch 64
1005
1006 Ch 4,5
1007 Ch 4,5
1008 D
1009 D,F,Ch 4
1010 D,F
1011 F, Ch 5
1012
1013
1014 Ch 5, Ch 4
1015 Ch 5
1016 A
1017 A
1018 L
1019 G, L
1020 E,G
1021 E,G,L
1022
1023 C,L
1024 C,G,L
1025
1026 Ch 5,
1027 I
1028 I
1029 A,E,G
1030 E,G
1031 G,L
1032 G
1033 SO Ch 82
1034 SO82
1035 L
1036 G
1037 L
1038 L,A
1039 A
1040 A,C
1041 C
1042
1043
1044
1045
1046
1047
1048
1049
1050
1051
1052
1053
1054
1055
1056
1057
1058
1059
1060
1061
1062
1063

That is what is appearing on Sydney VKG channels
No more vote ids for gd channels
Occasional seeing two console ids appear - which i take to be one console for the dispatcher and one console for the support doing cni, transport checks etc

Note: 105 is still appearing on the special ops channel vote 105

Penrith VKG
1100 J??
1101 J??
1102 K
1103 K
1104 H
1105 H
1106 Ch 2
1107 Ch 2
1108 Ch J
1109 Ch J

It looks like the Channels have fixed positions at Penrith, as the console rids never change

Old Vote
Vote 32 - Hotel
Vote 33 - Kilo
Vote 109044 - Juliet
Vote 110 - Channel 2


Warilla
1200
1201
1202 I
1203 I
1204
1205
1206
1207 V
1208 V/W/India South (India Sth enc)
1209 V/W/India South (India Sth enc)
1210 V/W/India South (India Sth enc)
1211
1212
1213 R

Grant

Currently on the Midnorth coast

Newcastle Consoles
1301
1302
1303 - Channel Bravo
1304 - Channel Bravo
1305 - Channel November
1306 - Channel November
1307
1308
1309 - Channel Oscar/November
1310 - Channel Oscar/November
1311 - Channel November
1312 - Channel November
1313 - Channel Papa (Sometimes Oscar & Papa patched together)
1314 - Channel Papa (Sometimes Oscar & Papa patched together)
1315 - Covering Channel Foxtrot
1316 - Covering Channel 5

Console id's overview
Sydney -10xx
Penrith - 11xx
Warilla - 12xx
Newcastle - 13xx
Tamworth - ?? 14xx

Looks like Foxtrot is being controlled from Newcastle today.
I have seen Console rids 1301-1310 before out of Newcastle.
Today 1315 seems to be running the show on Vote 104 Foxtrot


Grant

Another interesting thing i noted about a week ago when i was up at Port Macquarie for a few days and listening to November (which is P25 clear transmitted from Middle Brother Mt), was that VKG can turn radios off and on as required to prevent unauthorised monitoring

Heard Nelson Bay 33 asked VKG Newcastle to reactivate the car radio (presumably being picked up after servicing)
VKG were heard asking Nelson Bay 33 to make sure radio is switched on before they sent the command
As far as I can figure (from comments others have made and reading forums like P25.ca) the NSW VKG consoles utilise Conventional Tactical Over the Air Rekeying.
I take this as sub-audible data being transmitted to the affected or nominated radio
I was unaware as VKG is fully encrypted in the Sydney Metro region (all I hear is squiggly noises) and has been obviously added subsequent to May 2008


Grant