UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

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Re: UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

Post by techman » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:56 pm

news wrote:
Scotty wrote:
techman wrote:I reckon the functionality of TETRA for the end user runs rings around other digital modes flavoured by ESO's such as trunked P25, so I don't see that as an issue.
What functionality is that ?

I have used both conventional and trunked TETRA gear for years and it's nothing special...
Maybe this will give you an idea of what they are thinking about and there is more coming when they get around to releasing it.

http://www.motorolasolutions.com/XU-EN/ ... 00/MTP6750

Sepura, Hytera and cassaddan all have similar kit or have kit out which can deal with TEDS, interesting enough this stuff has been promised in the APX series for maybe a couple of years but I'm don't think it has been delivered.
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Re: UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

Post by news » Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:44 am

techman wrote:Maybe this will give you an idea of what they are thinking about and there is more coming when they get around to releasing it.

http://www.motorolasolutions.com/XU-EN/ ... 00/MTP6750

Sepura, Hytera and cassaddan all have similar kit or have kit out which can deal with TEDS, interesting enough this stuff has been promised in the APX series for maybe a couple of years but I'm don't think it has been delivered.
Techman,
techman wrote:when they get around to releasing it.
?? The moto portable series in your link is already released here. Here is a comparison of OLD vs NEW(MTP3250) Australian release radios that I took myself of the first radios to be programmed here in Australia 8 months ago(yes in October 2013) so I am very familiar with what equipment is on the market; and their ability to perform in real life testing compared to what they claim to do in a fancy marketing document. The 6750 is a nice fancy radio however it's sales will be a small blip on the radar.

As this is a public forum I won't comment any further apart from saying that any reputable company or govt agency even considering some of the manufactures you have listed for mission critical applications or even medium duty use must have rocks in their head!!!! ... (Note: for obvious reasons I have edited the pic to remove customer identification information)

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Re: UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

Post by techman » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:33 am

My comments are not directed at any specific maker of hardware but features sets.

UK are very much wanting to be the leader here and not get 'burnt' with yesterdays thinking.
news wrote: As this is a public forum I won't comment any further apart from saying that any reputable company or govt agency even considering some of the manufactures you have listed for mission critical applications or even medium duty use must have rocks in their head!!!! ...
Umm rock in there head - close to home we have the following reputable company or govt agency have rocks in there heads
NSW Govt - Using Tait, Simoco
Vic Govt - CFA - Using Tait
Brisbane Airport Corp - Tait
Ergon here in Qld - Tait P25 Trunk (Motorola was 2nd place on that contract)
Qld Rail/Pacific National - Tait and Simoco
QAS - Tait
QFRS,DERM - Simoco
Rail in Tasmania - Tait DMR
fortescue in WA - Sepura and DAMM tetra solution
Rio Tinto - Sepura and DAMM and Hytrea I believe

Any customer using any Kenwood NXDN (newscorp, crown casino to name couple), Icom IDAS (South bank corp), Tait, Simoco as there provider

Overseas
NZ Govt (police etc) - Tait
Chinese Govt and state police - Hytera plus others
South African govt - sepura plus others
thailand govt - Tait DMR
UK Police - dumping motorola tetra terminals and moving to Sepura and others until they get a plan together for post 2016

There are a large number of users from both govt of all type and corporate users have mixed fleets in Australia.

There are a lot more around the world who use other solution from other vendors and I'm sure they would laugh at your comment. Also any govt or corporate why puts all there eggs into one basket have a significant risk issue and need to be concerned they are loosing functionality and exposing them self to risk of a single supplier or leaving them self open to risk of bad software coding or hardware issues.

But they all have rocks in there head and are making un-educated decisions on there purchasing based on there needs and specifications and not playing follow the leader like a bunch of lemmings.
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Re: UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

Post by cartman » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:02 am

Where is the Chinese clone?
(Whoops couldnt help that one)
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Re: UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

Post by techman » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:47 pm

cartman wrote:Where is the Chinese clone?
(Whoops couldnt help that one)
Something about TEA being such a closely guarded secret will mean it may never be seen!
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Re: UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

Post by news » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:06 am

techman wrote:My comments are not directed at any specific maker of hardware but features sets.

UK are very much wanting to be the leader here and not get 'burnt' with yesterdays thinking.
news wrote: As this is a public forum I won't comment any further apart from saying that any reputable company or govt agency even considering some of the manufactures you have listed for mission critical applications or even medium duty use must have rocks in their head!!!! ...
Umm rock in there head - close to home we have the following reputable company or govt agency have rocks in there heads
NSW Govt - Using Tait, Simoco
Vic Govt - CFA - Using Tait
Brisbane Airport Corp - Tait
Ergon here in Qld - Tait P25 Trunk (Motorola was 2nd place on that contract)
Qld Rail/Pacific National - Tait and Simoco
QAS - Tait
QFRS,DERM - Simoco
Rail in Tasmania - Tait DMR
fortescue in WA - Sepura and DAMM tetra solution
Rio Tinto - Sepura and DAMM and Hytrea I believe

Any customer using any Kenwood NXDN (newscorp, crown casino to name couple), Icom IDAS (South bank corp), Tait, Simoco as there provider

Overseas
NZ Govt (police etc) - Tait
Chinese Govt and state police - Hytera plus others
South African govt - sepura plus others
thailand govt - Tait DMR
UK Police - dumping motorola tetra terminals and moving to Sepura and others until they get a plan together for post 2016

There are a large number of users from both govt of all type and corporate users have mixed fleets in Australia.

There are a lot more around the world who use other solution from other vendors and I'm sure they would laugh at your comment. Also any govt or corporate why puts all there eggs into one basket have a significant risk issue and need to be concerned they are loosing functionality and exposing them self to risk of a single supplier or leaving them self open to risk of bad software coding or hardware issues.

But they all have rocks in there head and are making un-educated decisions on there purchasing based on there needs and specifications and not playing follow the leader like a bunch of lemmings.
You win Son.

I will just sit on the side and listen to the P25 Trunked networks that rio, fortescue and BHP are all using as their ONLY form of site communication. TETRA is for railways

Tait is far above motorola in both price and quality, I am a huge supporter of them.

To conclude, stuff following the leader!. We have a mix of Tait, Moto & Codan in our vehicles

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Re: UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

Post by ivahri » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:10 am

P25 will dominate in NSW for many years to come. Simple. Cut through all the dreamers and all the vendor/network manager driven spruikers posting here and get back to reality.

If you talk to the do'ers in the agencies they will tell you that the biggest problem in the radio industry are people without a clue as to the practicalities (infrastructure investment, spectrum, $$$$)... P25 simply works and can be done with modest investment. DMR is not up to emergency services standards (they don't claim to be) and LTE will only be a NSW (Newcastle-Sydney-Wollongong) proposition.

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Re: UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

Post by news » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:22 pm

ivahri wrote:P25 will dominate in NSW for many years to come. Simple. Cut through all the dreamers and all the vendor/network manager driven spruikers posting here and get back to reality.

If you talk to the do'ers in the agencies they will tell you that the biggest problem in the radio industry are people without a clue as to the practicalities (infrastructure investment, spectrum, $$$$)... P25 simply works and can be done with modest investment. DMR is not up to emergency services standards (they don't claim to be) and LTE will only be a NSW (Newcastle-Sydney-Wollongong) proposition.

Cheers

Richard
Finally somebody talking reality! P25 is here to stay for a long time.

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Re: UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

Post by Scotty » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:11 pm

news wrote:
ivahri wrote:P25 will dominate in NSW for many years to come. Simple.
Finally somebody talking reality! P25 is here to stay for a long time.
I could have sworn this thread was about TETRA in the UK. The reality there is completely different...

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Re: UK seeks to replace TETRA with LTE as early as 2016

Post by cartman » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:08 pm

No it is actually about the uk dumping tetra for a future lte (long term evolution) radio that may be available by 2016. Because we (as in australia)are influenced by overseas trends and standards in many industries the discussion developed into the suitability of our current and planned systems and whether the apx line may incorporate lte features. It then seem to end up as a tetra vs p25 digression.
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