Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Postby Scotty » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:23 pm

Background:
The thread was created when I was seeking to purchase a new digital trunking receiver which covered not only unencrypted P25 (P1 & P2) but also DMR/MOTOTRBO and NXDN, and has remained to help myself, and for the info of others. Please let me know of any corrections.


> CURRENT AUSTRALIAN DIGITAL TRUNKING MODELS:

Uniden USDS100 (handheld)
- P25 (Phase I & II)
- DMR (Tier I, II & III)
- NXDN
Notes:
- DMR & NXDN support are both additional purchases.
- Full low VHF and 800MHz coverage.


Uniden UBCD436-PT (handheld) / UBCD536-PT (desktop)
- P25 (Phase I & II)
- DMR (Tier I, II & III)
- NXDN
Notes:
- DMR & NXDN support are both additional purchases.
- Full low VHF and 800MHz coverage.


Uniden UBCD325P2-AU (handheld)
- P25 (Phase I & II)
Notes:
- Full low VHF and 800MHz coverage.



> CURRENT EUROPEAN DIGITAL TRUNKING MODELS:

Uniden SDS100E (handheld) / SDS200E (desktop)
- P25 (Phase I & II)
- DMR (Tier I, II & III)
- NXDN
Notes:
- DMR & NXDN support are both additional purchases for the SDS100E, however are included with the SDS200E.
- Full low VHF and 800MHz coverage.


Uniden UBCD3600XLT (handheld)
- P25 (Phase I & II)
- DMR (Tier I, II & III)
- NXDN
Notes:
- DMR is included, NDXN support is an additional purchase.
- Full low VHF and 800MHz coverage.



> CURRENT USA DIGITAL TRUNKING MODELS:

Uniden SDS100 (handheld)
- P25 (Phase I & II)
- DMR (Tier I, II & III)
- NXDN
Notes:
- DMR & NXDN support are both additional purchases.
- Restricted low VHF and 800MHz coverage.


Uniden BCD436HP (handheld) / BCD536HP (desktop)
- P25 (Phase I & II)
- DMR (Tier I, II & III)
- NXDN
Notes:
- DMR & NXDN support are both additional purchases.
- Restricted low VHF and 800MHz coverage.


Uniden BCD325P2 (handheld) / BCD996P2 (desktop)
- P25 (Phase I & II)
- DMR (Tier I, II & III)
Notes:
- DMR support is an additional purchase.
- Restricted low VHF and 800MHz coverage.



> CURRENT UNIVERSAL/WORLDWIDE DIGITAL TRUNKING MODELS:

Whistler TRX-1 (handheld) / TRX-2 (desktop)
- P25 (Phase I & II)
- DMR (Tier I, II & III)
- NXDN
Notes:
- 800MHz restrictions.


Whistler WS1088 (handheld) / WS1098 (desktop)
- P25 (Phase I & II)
- DMR (Tier I, II & III)
Notes:
- 800MHz restrictions.



> SO...WHAT DO I BUY?

Uniden Australia now offers both the USDS100 and UBCDx46-PT series which provide DMR and NXDN support, negating the need to import overseas models. Australian models are therefore a suitable solution when you consider ongoing warranty, service and support.

However if you are looking elsewhere:
- If comparing models on a price basis, be aware that the DMR and NXDN updates on both Australian and USA Uniden models are each at an additional cost. The EU Uniden UBCD series (but not all EU SDS series) includes DMR at no cost, and in some cases NXDN. Whistler include DMR and NXDN at no cost.
- Ensure postage, insurance and GST are also considered when calculating cost on overseas models, as all may apply to imported goods.
- If you need the low VHF and/or 800MHz coverage the USA models will not be suitable.
- Uniden and Whistler monitor DMR and NXDN in different ways, and each model may not monitor every DMR or NXDN system.


A (very) basic overview of common digital modes:
- P25: A standard commonly used by emergency services in Australia. There is currently Phase I using FDMA and operating in either conventional or trunked modes and Phase II using TDMA and operating in trunked mode only. Both can now be monitored out-of-the-box by most new digital trunking receivers and are considered essential if monitoring most emergency services.
- DMR: A growing standard among mostly non-emergency service operators. Encompasses the ‘MOTOTRBO’ model radios. There is currently Tier I for low power licence-free applications in Europe, Tier II for general conventional modes and Tier III for general trunked modes. All use TDMA. This mode can be monitored by most new digital trunking receivers and should be considered if you plan on listen to more than emergency services.
- NXDN: A standard used mostly among non-emergency service operators. Encompasses 'IDAS' and 'NEXEDGE' model radios. There is currently Type-Conventional for general simplex and repeater use, Type-C for trunking using a dedicated control channel and Type-D for trunking without a dedicated control channel. All use FDMA. This mode can be monitored by most new digital trunking receivers.
- TETRA: A standard commonly used by emergency services in the Europe, but less frequently in Australia. This standard uses TDMA. There is limited capability to monitor this standard on digital trunking receivers.
- dPMR: A standard that is less commonly used in Australia. This standard used FDMA. There is limited capability to monitor this standard on digital trunking receivers.


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Re: Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Postby frankc » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:39 pm

Uniden UBCD436-PT (handheld) / UBCD536-PT (desktop)
- Low VHF and 800MHz restrictions.


Uniden has since released a Firmware update to address this issue.

http://ozscan.blogspot.com.au/2016/12/n ... cd436.html
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Re: Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Postby matthewn1983 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:58 pm

Add to that, Unidens do not decode DMR simplex transmissions at the moment, i tested this recently with a Crane user both with the 436 and an airspy+dsd at the same time. The TR X1 however is meant to someone with that unit can confirm for me.

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Re: Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Postby Scotty » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:52 pm

frankc wrote:
Uniden UBCD436-PT (handheld) / UBCD536-PT (desktop)
- Low VHF and 800MHz restrictions.


Uniden has since released a Firmware update to address this issue.

Thanks. Will update.

matthewn1983 wrote:Add to that, Unidens do not decode DMR simplex transmissions at the moment.

Is this confirmed by others? They do advertise it as working with conventional DMR.
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Re: Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Postby frankc » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:06 pm

matthewn1983 wrote:Add to that, Unidens do not decode DMR simplex transmissions at the moment.

Is this confirmed by others? They do advertise it as working with conventional DMR.[/quote]

It has been documented widely in the US and is demonstrated here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uslxl6LZMDc&t=6s
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Re: Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Postby Longreach » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:19 pm

Yes the TRX-1 does decode simplex DMR transmissions, I've tested on several radios.
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Re: Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Postby rustynswrail » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:47 pm

The Whistler WS1088 will not receive NXDN, only the TRX1 & 2.

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Re: Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Postby Mike Alpha » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:55 pm

And let's not forget the AOR AR-DV1

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Re: Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Postby matthewn1983 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:05 am

frankc wrote:
matthewn1983 wrote:Add to that, Unidens do not decode DMR simplex transmissions at the moment.

Is this confirmed by others? They do advertise it as working with conventional DMR.


It has been documented widely in the US and is demonstrated here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uslxl6LZMDc&t=6s[/quote]


Conventional works fine, however simplex is transmitted differently and does not work. If i get a chance tomorrow ill key up on simplex and take a screenshot on the waterfall of SDR compared to a conventional transmission.

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Re: Current Digital Scanner Options (P25/DMR/NXDN)

Postby Scotty » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:12 am

rustynswrail wrote:The Whistler WS1088 will not receive NXDN, only the TRX1 & 2.

Thanks - changed.

Mike Alpha wrote:And let's not forget the AOR AR-DV1

Thanks. Although not initially mentioned, I had the intention of compiling trunking models only - but there is no reason why others can't be included. Added.
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