New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

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New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

Post by cartman » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:09 am

Hot off the presses from Tetratoday.com

http://www.tetratoday.com/news/sydney-l ... use-tetra/

The original press release from GMV dated 13/4/16
http://www.gmv.com/en/Company/Communica ... lstom.html

Sydney Light Rail control room integration will use TETRA

Date: 19th April 2016
Topic: News, Switching On
Author: Laurence Doe
Tags: Alstom, ALTRAC consortium, GMV, integration, Sydney Light Rail, Transdev

GMV, a technological business group, is integrating systems for Sydney Light Rail – an on-going transport project by the New South Wales Government in Australia to develop a new 12 kilometre line. Antonio Hernandez, deputy general manager GMV Transport and Mobility, confirmed that TETRA technology will be used. It will be included with Wi-Fi for communications to the control room, fleet-management and in-tram communications.

The 35-month project will see GMV ensure that the transport network and its control centre runs efficiently once operational through its in-house railway and tram fleet-management system SAE-R. This integrates the control center – which uses SCADA and TETRA – with Transport for New South Wales, the local transport consortium, to make effective use of its planning and analysis tools. The relay of information will include data on passengers and the status of the tram cars.

Trams will also be fitted with on-board units for tolling and touchscreens in both cabs for driver interaction. A control centre will comprise of a set of servers in a virtualized environment and a series of workstations that will allow Transdev, the line operator, to ensure smooth service operation. Stations will be fitted with LED information panels to inform waiting passengers of arrival times and service information.

GMV has been chosen by Alstom, which develops, constructs, markets and provides systems, components and customer support to the world's infrastructure markets, and together the two companies will test and run a pilot scheme of the system. This will happen at GMV's factories and Alstom’s tramway factory in La Rochelle, France, and Barcelona. Trials will be carried out over several phases until a final operational test is conducted in Sydney.

The tram line will be built by the ALTRAC consortium, made up of Alstom, Transdev, Acciona and Capella. Alstom is responsible for the integrated tramway system, which includes the design, delivery and commissioning of 30 coupled Citadis X05 trams, power supply equipment, including ground power supply over two kilometres, signalling systems, the energy recovery system HESOP, depot equipment and maintenance.

TETRA Today requested more details from GMV, but these could not be provided at this time.
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Re: New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

Post by cartman » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:18 pm

Altrac which is now looking after the existing Sydney Light Rail has just been granted approval from ACMA to use emission designator 22K0G7WD (TETRA) for the entire Sydney Light Rail Network (see list below in frequency order). Two frequencies per site @ 2.5w

Altrac light Rail 1 - Updated 1/5/17
463.01875 - Kingsford (Anzac Pde & Sturt St)
463.21875 - Jubilee Park Light Rail Station
463.31875 - Sydney (367 George St Sydney)
463.54375 - Kingsford (Anzac Pde & Sturt St)
463.59375 - Sydney (367 George St Sydney)
463.91875 - Randwick Depot TPS (Alison Rd Randwick)
463.96875 - Jubilee Park Light Rail Station
464.41875 - Randwick Depot TPS (Alison Rd Randwick)
464.44375 - 717 George Street Haymarket
464.74375 - Dulwich Grove Train Stop
464.74375 - Lilyfield Light Rail Stop
465.16875 - Moore Park Tunnel West (South Dowling St Moore Park)
465.21875 - Randwick (Avoca & High St)
465.26875 - Surry Hills (Ibero-American Plaza Chalmers Street)
465.31875 - Hawthorn Light Rail Station (Hawthorn Pde Haberfield)
465.36875 - Optus Ibis Hotel Pyrmont
465.39375 - Optus Ibis Hotel Pyrmont
465.41875 - Moore Park Tunnel West (South Dowling St Moore Park)
465.44375 - 199 George Street Sydney
465.46875 - Randwick (Avoca & High St)
465.46875 - Light Rail line behind Powerhouse Museum off Darling Drive Ultimo
465.49375 - Taverners Hill Light Rail Station Leichhardt
465.49375 - Sydney (George & Hay St)
465.51875 - Light Rail line behind Powerhouse Museum off Darling Drive Ultimo
465.59375 - Kensington USNSW (Anzac Pde opposite NIDA)
465.79375 - Kensington USNSW (Anzac Pde opposite NIDA)
465.84375 - Leichhardt North Light Rail Stop
465.96875 - Randwick Racecourse TPS (Alison Rd Randwick)
466.09375 - Hawthorn Light Rail Station (Hawthorn Pde Haberfield)
466.11875 - Dulwich Grove Train Stop
466.11875 - Lilyfield Light Rail Stop
466.24375 - Leichhardt North Light Rail Stop
466.29375 - Waratah Mills Light Rail Station Dulwich Hill
466.64375 - Randwick Racecourse TPS (Alison Rd Randwick)
466.94375 - Waratah Mills Light Rail Station Dulwich Hill
467.26875 - Sydney (George & Alfred St)
467.29375 - Sydney (George & Alfred St)
467.31875 - Taverners Hill Light Rail Station Leichhardt
467.31875 - Sydney (George & Hay St)
467.41875 - Surry Hills (Ibero-American Plaza Chalmers Street)
467.44375 - 199 George Street Sydney

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Re: New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

Post by citabria » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:51 pm

Just what we need - ANOTHER format...

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Re: New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

Post by Bigfella237 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:59 pm

The timing may just be coincidental but I wonder if the decision was (at least partially) based on the release of DMR / NXDN capable scanners?

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Re: New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

Post by gus289 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:56 pm

Possibly a better decision then GSM-R as others in NSW have been finding out. Looks like a lot of license fees for ACMA.
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Re: New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

Post by news » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:05 am

citabria wrote:Just what we need - ANOTHER format...
Whats another format ? TETRA has hundreds of users around australia. Only difference being the frequency allocation range.

If the chosen system works like it does around the world, it should perform quite well especially with that amount of coverage

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Re: New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

Post by cartman » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:48 pm

gus289 wrote:Possibly a better decision then GSM-R as others in NSW have been finding out. Looks like a lot of license fees for ACMA.
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Strange you should mention that
It was announced by the Operations Group General Manager on the intranet that GSM-R went operationally live today 5/9/16 for all Tangara sets ie metronet no longer used by this train type
Radios are progressively being fitted to all other sets so that at some point in the near future Metronet will be switched off
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Re: New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

Post by cartman » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:59 pm

news wrote:
citabria wrote:Just what we need - ANOTHER format...
Whats another format ? TETRA has hundreds of users around australia. Only difference being the frequency allocation range.

If the chosen system works like it does around the world, it should perform quite well especially with that amount of coverage

I think the point Citabria was making that there is no strict TETRA emission standard for entry on the ACMA database ie there are various emission formats used to denote the same thing, to the point where it is almost meaningless
On the other in the Us the FCC seems to be stricter
I may have misunderstood but that is the way i took his comment
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Re: New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

Post by citabria » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:04 pm

Well, there's that..

But given the train networks (all of them) are public government owned infrastructure, one would think that the NSW Telco's main charters would be consolidation, interoperability and cost savings for the taxpayer.

There's a lovely P25 system that has head lots of money put into it - why not use that? Or even the existing GSM-R network that's taken forever and a day to setup since the Waterfall disaster...

Adding a totally different format into the mix goes against the whole point of having the Telco Authority in my humble opinion... It adds costs, complexity, more government.... Hmmm...

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Re: New Sydney Light Rail to use TETRA

Post by news » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:04 am

citabria wrote:Well, there's that..

But given the train networks (all of them) are public government owned infrastructure, one would think that the NSW Telco's main charters would be consolidation, interoperability and cost savings for the taxpayer.

There's a lovely P25 system that has head lots of money put into it - why not use that? Or even the existing GSM-R network that's taken forever and a day to setup since the Waterfall disaster...

Adding a totally different format into the mix goes against the whole point of having the Telco Authority in my humble opinion... It adds costs, complexity, more government.... Hmmm...

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I understand what you are saying and mostly agree however I would not be worried about a couple of train's with expensive shitty radios, that's small fry. (apart from the obvious that they are installing new radios that have no interop to existing systems)

To save a few hundred million as a starter, the NSW Govt should start by consolidating the command and control structure for agencies like the RFS, NSW Fire, SES, VRA and any other group that is similar. Take the WA example of DFES(previously FESA), they all share the same command structure along with extensive VHF/UHF radio systems(is far from perfect but is a much better system and cost saving).

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